Ep. 10 - Yield: As a disciple, exchange your life. As a leader, live and learn.

Discussion on the role sanctification plays in a leader’s life and the importance of having a growth mindset w/Drew Meadows, an Atlanta GA area, insurance executive and Christian Leadership Concepts alum.  

Questions and lessons explored in this episode: 

• How self-aware do you think you are? How well do you learn from your experiences? How can you improve in this area? 
• Do you know someone who puts others first? What are the positive qualities that you admire in the person? How can you model the individual’s behavior in the future? 
• Do you have a coach or mentor who can help guide you through tough circumstances? If not, who may be able to help you? 
• Which of the six principles of active participation in your sanctification stuck out to you? Why? 
• How will these discipleship and leadership principles help you transform your workplace through your pursuit of Christ? 

Discipled Leader is a show that provides struggling, stuck, or merely surviving Christian Business leaders with a framework to grow their influence through becoming a redemptive (i.e., change for the better), Christlike presence in the workplace, and living a more fulfilling personal and professional life. www.prestonpoore.com

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:05

Hi, I'm Preston Poor and welcome to the Disciple Leader Podcast. Along with my young, professional co-host and adult children, Carolina Bennett, and a special guest, we'll explore a life-changing framework designed to help struggling, stuck, or merely surviving Christian business leaders grow their influence by becoming a redemptive, Christ-like presence in the workplace, and living a more fulfilling life. Buckle up and get ready to be transformed. Hi, everybody, it's Preston Poor and hope you're doing well. And thank you so much for being on the Disciple Leader Podcast. I'm joined by my co-hosts and adult children, Caroline and Ben. And today we're going to chat with a special guest, gain their insights on Disciple Leader's ninth chapter. And the title is Yield, and discuss how to apply your faith in the workplace. Now, Caroline's going to facilitate today's discussion. And then be sure to stick around for Ben's hot seat where we'll get to know our guests through a series of rapid-fire humorous questions. Now each chapter starts with a dual principle, and one's related to discipleship and the other one's related to leadership. And chapter nine on yield, the principle is this as a disciple, exchange your life. As a leader, live and learn. And the chapter summary says this it says yielding control may be the most challenging task for any leader. Yet as a Christian, you're called to yield control of your life to God. When you're able to relinquish control of your life to God, you'll be free to be a better leader. And the anchor scripture for this chapter is this, and it's my life verse, as a matter of fact, it's Galatians 2.20. It's out of the New International Version. It says this I've been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I live in this body, I live by faith in the Son of God who loved me and gave himself for me. So today we're going to talk about the exchange life and having a growth mindset. You know what? And today I've got the special honor of introducing our guest today. He's a Georgia native, a University of Georgia graduate, has experienced a dynamic career in the insurance industry, is married to his lovely wife, Nita, has five children, four boys and one daughter, ages ranging from 11 to 25. You know what I love about our guests is his unique life experiences and his wonderful sense of humor. As a matter of fact, when he sent us his bio, he had four fun facts I don't want to read off to you. These are great. Number one, he said he and Muhammad Ali shared a photo op at the Olympics. Number two, he sang for and was blessed by Pope John Paul II in the Vatican. That's got to have a story all to itself. He even had a Coretta Scott King give him a hug and tell him how handsome he was at age 12. And believe it or not, number four, he is the undisputed 1991 karaoke champion of Philadelphia with an Elvis trilogy. But more than anything, he's a Christ follower and an incredible role model. It's my pleasure to introduce my friend, Drew Meadows. Welcome, Drew.

SPEAKER_04 3:04

Hey, thank you, Preston. What a what a privilege to be doing this. And thank you for asking me. And uh it's always good to spend time with you and on a on a fantastic topic that you have uh unpacked and challenged me with. And thank you.

SPEAKER_00 3:19

That's awesome. Um, well, I'm truly honored to uh interview the handsome, talented, hope-blessed Drew Meadows. Um so this is awesome. Um, Drew, this chapter, again, like my dog just mentioned, is on relinquishing control, um, kind of looking at ourselves and realizing some ways in which we aren't perfect and the need for God to sanctify us, um, to kind of pull us out of our ourselves and make us more like him. Um, and that involves a process that can benefit us and our leadership. Um, but I would just love if you would kick us off by talking about um how you've lived and learned, right? Lived and learned. Um, and what you think or how you think you've grown in that kind of learning process.

SPEAKER_04 4:11

Yeah, thanks. So, man, there's a lot to unpack in there. So hold me to our time commitments. But uh, you know, how do I, and number one, why would any leader want to stay where they are? Um, I don't care if you're a great leader, why would you ever want to stay there? Um, we can always grow, right? So um I think the the way I have done that, and and man, I screw up so much. I'm not coming here with all the answers. I'm coming here more with a testimony of being vulnerable and real, that it's tough. It's tough out there, especially when you want to step, uh, whether you're called to a leadership role or you step into a leadership role, it's it's tough because you're raising your hand. You're raising your hand for people to throw rocks at you. You're raising your hand as a believer. I'm I'm raising my hand to let the enemy uh whose name is Satan to come after me and to throw rocks at me. And and his rocks are big. And his rocks hit me in all my tough spots of you know, my ego, my my getting offended too much, my my pride, um, you know, my insecurity when when it hits me and and that insecurity turns into sarcasm. And maybe that sarcasm becomes very biting. And so when you have a leader that is uh sarcastic and biting and passive aggressive, those are not things that are rewarded relationally. And so uh, man, I need to grow, I need to be challenged. And so I'm challenged and I'm I've grown uh and continue to grow in a number of ways. The first way is obviously through the Holy Spirit. As a Christian, when I accept Christ, I I ask the Holy Spirit to come into my life, and he does immediately. And he's known as a counselor, he's known as a reminder, and he counsels me. He he through that still small voice tells me the right and the left which way to go and and uh what to say. Give me the words. Uh, and then he reminds me, he reminds me of of all the things that I've been taught uh from scripture and from you know loved ones around me. But so the Holy Spirit is a a huge thing that that helps me grow as a leader, as a man, as a husband, as a father. Uh, my wife, uh bless her heart, she's a saint. Um she is a mirror to me. And it's not always comfortable. And man, we, you know, sparks fly. I mean, I love her dearly, and she loves me, and we're committed, and we've been together for you know, married for 28 years, and and um she doesn't let me, she makes me grow because she holds a mirror of accountability to me. Um, I've got a small group now. Um you know, Preston and I met through an amazing ministry called CLC, which is Christian leadership concepts. And in that, you really create your own personal board of directors. And so when I was out of CLC, uh did a few groups and uh two groups, when I was out of it, I knew that I had to have a small band of men that would that I would give permission to speak into my life, and then that they would um they also would uh have credibility with me to to speak. And so I did that. I've got five guys who get together every week, uh, been together getting together for 12, excuse me, 13 years, and they range from 75 down to 20. Um, so I've got guys all different age groups speaking, I'm speaking into their life, they're speaking into mine, it's a big deal. And then the final thing with me is is visual reminders. Even the believers of of olden times had these things called Ebenezer stones, and they were physical reminders what God did at a specific spot. So, hey, this is where God parted the Jordan River so we could cross into the promised land. Hey, this is where a battle was won. And so, because we as fallen people, as bad leaders uh and as humans, forget. We forget the great things God did. You know, I forget the amazing way he showed up a month ago, you know, and so I whine and complain and worry and wring my hands that he's saying, No, look at what I've done, look what I'll do again. And and so those ebonies or stones in my life are just whether it's artwork around my office or artwork around my house or reminders and little sayings that my kids will see for the 18 years they've live they live under my roof, um, notes in my Bible, things like that. Those are those are uh long-winded answer to answer your question of, you know, how do we grow? Why do we grow? And, you know, why in the world we would we ever want to just stay where we are? Because we ain't arrived yet.

SPEAKER_00 8:56

Yeah, no, that's so good. Um, I love that you talk about uh really fighting kind of that ego, your pride. And then you went into talking about different mentors and men that are speaking into your life. And what is more obvious to folks, I think is older mentors. Um, but you've even given younger guys permission to speak into your life. Um, so I'm just curious, kind of what's the last lesson uh you can think of that you've learned from someone younger than yourself?

SPEAKER_04 9:25

Yeah, well, I have to make a point that um Preston Poor is an older person in my life. Um much older, like months, I think. Um, but but younger men in my life. Yeah, it's funny, I've almost learned learned so much from all of them, but but the the young guy in particular um is new to our group. And I will tell you, he asks me things that the old guys are too comfortable to ask me. And he's challenging me like on my life goals and my five-year. I mean, it's it, I hate those Preston knows I hate those questions, yeah, you know, because I'm not as in I I'm I'm successful by default in whatever that looks like. I I just kind of showed up, you know. I but it's these intentional people that God puts in my life that drive me nuts. And uh, but I need them. I need them. And so one of these guys is that way. He's a he's a 20-year-old punk that is probably making more money than I am. He owns his own business and he's he's killing it and he's challenging me to be a better man. And he's challenging me on, you know, what my what my object real goal is, what my three-year goal is, what my five-year goal is. I'm like, dude, I'm just trying to order lunch, you know? So yeah, that's it's it's it's not what you would what I expected, but I sure am glad. Uh sure I'm glad he's in my life.

SPEAKER_00 10:48

Yeah, that's awesome. Well, I love that you open yourself up to that, um, even hearing from younger people and that they have challenged you. Um, I think that's really good for listeners on the younger side of things to hear and be reminded of that, you know, our voices are of value, and um, we need older people and younger people in our circles to kind of get us all ahead. Um, you also mentioned the Ebenezers and so artwork um around you, things to remind you. And that is um totally, you know, part of the Holy Spirit's role, but I think you're playing a very active role there in helping to transform your mind. And that's something that this chapter talks a little bit about, um, the idea of garbage in and garbage out. Um, so can you just speak to kind of those tactical things uh that you do in your day to day to make sure that your mind is set on things above um and not kind of on yourself rather?

SPEAKER_04 11:47

Yeah, yeah. So um, you know, I'm a I'm a guy, I'm very visual, uh, so I need to see things, right? And uh one thing I need to see, we've got my my wife made this like holy corner in our bedroom. And um, it became holy because I I've always struggled with of love Jesus since I was 12, but I didn't really want to spend a lot of time with him. Um it was Jesus on demand, and um and so watching my wife in her chair have her you know talk with her Lord and learn from the Lord, I I get I get choked up, but it was it's just a beautiful picture to me. And so when I wake up every morning, that's my image. And that's a challenge to me that you know what I'm supposed to be leading this family, not not just uh, but she leads me in that way. So it's a great Ebenezer stone reminder of me, to me, to me, for me. And it's a gift. Um but then when I leave from there, you know, it's it's having I love music and and I'd love to talk. I could I want to start my own podcast for 80s music. I mean, I I can tell you more about Duran Duran sometimes than I can about scripture, and that I'm not proud of that, but but I would love to do that. So music matters to me, but there are times when I've got to turn off the the uh you know REO speed wagon and turn or Bachman Turner overdrive and turn it on to um to the word and it's the word through song, and so it's a radio station or it's a it's a Christian uh you know something on my my Sirius XM or some station that can just be a reminder. So that's an epidezer stone as I'm as I'm driving to work. When I get to work, uh I've got a devotion that comes up um once a day, but having those things um are are so valuable to get my day started right. Uh Paul David Tripp, um he's got New Morning Mercies. Yeah, uh just it's it's changed my it's changed my desire to want to have a quiet time first thing in the morning, um get my day started right. And then I've got this image of Christ, and it's not of Christ, it is of my father-in-law. I have this, I've got can I got I got artwork all around my office and pictures of my kids and accomplishments and things, but but on this blank wall in front of me that I see uh stare at every day is this one picture, and it's my father-in-law, and he is his name's Daddy Kurt, and he is driving my around his John Deere tractor with my precious daughter in his lap. And they both just have their heads back, dying laughing. And it's my favorite picture, and it it reminds me to be more like Daddy Kurt and and not not to revere him, but he he was Jesus with skin on to me. And so his loss was just a huge hole in our family, and but his legacy lives on through us, through our kids. And and he is what when I think of a godly man, um, I've never I've talked with the Lord, I've heard him speak through other people, I've heard him speak through scripture, but I've never heard him audibly. I've heard him audibly through this man. And um, I want to be more like Daddy Curtin. So having him there is an Ebenezer stone to me to live to work, because he's an amazing businessman, very successful, and to to work like him at my office, to talk to people like he did, because he was kind, to be patient like he was, because he was patient. You see, these are all attributes of of Christ. Christ was a great worker, Christ was patient, he was kind. He had obviously the fruits of the spirit come from him, but he had all those things. And and the person in my life that most embodied that was Daddy Kurt, my father-in-law.

SPEAKER_00 15:39

That's awesome. Um, I love that you related that back to just how he applied, you know, the fruits of the spirit, like in all of those different aspects and even in work. Um, and you yourself have set yourself up so well um for success and just your morning disciplines and the things that you have around you. Um but when it looks like translating that at-home exchange life into a at-work exchange life, what do you think are the distinct characteristics or um things that you can do to really basically surrender your workplace and your work life over to God?

SPEAKER_04 16:22

You know, first um, I've got to pray. I've got to pray that I would get out of the way of what God wants to do at my workplace. And I've got to surrender my, I've got to yield. I've got to uh I've got to do all those things and why would I not want to exchange my awfulness with God's perfectness? You know, why would who would who wouldn't want that? I mean, uh, C. S. Lewis talks about why would why do we desire to have mud pies in the slum when we've been invited to the sea to have a banquet with the king? And and that's why would I want to drive, ride a skateboard to work when God's given me a McLaren? I mean, I don't have I don't have a McLaren. I want one. I hope the Lord blesses me with that one day, but I that gets me that gets me sidetracked.

SPEAKER_06 17:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 17:08

Um, so why would I want, why would I want that? And so bring his power, pray, pray for opportunity, pray for the words, pray for um the boldness, pray to be intentional, and then um pray for those opportunities and then look and see what what God's doing. Um, because he he always does. If we're open, he's always faithful to that. The next thing is that we got to see people holistically and not just workers accomplishing you know my success. Um, what can I do to bless them? What can I do to help them get what they need and what they want? And and then in a weird way I get what I want, and it helps the business. So see them as human, see them as people to be loved, not as objects to be conquered. Um and then let my actions speak for my faith, but then at some point I've got to follow it up with words. It takes both. I think a lot of Christians um, you know, say, oh, I'm just gonna, you know, let my actions speak for my faith. Yeah, there's a lot of nice atheists out there. There's a lot of people with some screwed up ideas out there that are just sweet people and are, you know, some of them are good business people and some of them are really successful, and some of them are kind and patient, and but they don't, they're missing that one ingredient, and that's Christ. And so, and that's the whole the whole shooting match. So it takes it takes both. We got to follow it up with words at some point, like uh Peter says in in First Peter 3, 15. We have got to always be ready to give an answer for the reason of the hope that is in us, but we have to do it. Here's the thing that people don't realize, you gotta do it with gentleness and with fear. Gentleness, we gotta be kind. We gotta be, we gotta be nice in our in our um relaying the the good news of the gospel and do it with fear because not not out of fear like that, but as just a holy respect of of the power of what we're really doing. We're inviting people to to an exchange life. We're inviting people to surrender crap for something beautiful and holy. And then uh five, I think leaders need to realize that the legal system supports us in this endeavor. We can be ourselves, we can, we can blend our home life into our work life, we can blend our Sunday into Monday, that that the legal system, you know, Satan would have you think that if you just mention the word God, that you're gonna get fired or you're gonna get sued. It's just not that's just not the case. I mean, we certainly have we certainly have boundaries and we have respectful limitations that we need to operate in, but but I just think having that boldness of being intentional, of of working God into our conversation, because again, Satan wants to stop us, but then you got the contrast of God says, No, I'm gonna give you the words. Not only that, I'm gonna defend you. I mean, how many times did believers get brought up to the point of death? You know, they were they were fearful of their lives, and yet a king turned to the Lord, you know, or or an entire city turned to God and repented and and were saved. I mean, it's it's just it's amazing how it happens, or the lion's mouth was shut. And so I think wrapping up just real quick that that we've got to work God in the conversation. I think I recommend what I usually try to do is talk about big and get down little. So talk about faith, then talk a little bit more specifically about God, and then after that is kind of people are kind of softened up to that conversation, then talk about the name of Jesus because it's always gonna come back to Christ. Um give them your 20 second faith story, then ask them about their faith story. But the number one thing that I've ever seen as a as a way that we can tactically, especially as leaders, blend Sunday into Monday is to ask how you can pray for somebody. Nobody ever turns down prayer. Nobody ever says, I mean, even agnostic, even angry atheist friends of mine will say, Yeah, I'll I like what can I pray for you? They're like, you know what? My mom has cancer, you know, and all of a sudden it makes the world, it makes the culture of the workplace better instantly. My business just became more profitable. Um and and forget the profits. I mean, so profit a lot of weight, relationally, whatever. A lot of times it does equate to to success, but it is it's a culture that people want to be a part of, even if they're not Christians. Yeah. Uh and then all of a sudden you wake up and you ask people to opt into a Bible study and they say yes. And then finally, having a cheerful spirit. I picked that up from from the the chapter two, where you know what, we got to tell our face that we have a that we're happy to be Christians. We we hold the cookie. Let's not be some Christians walk around, you know, talking about the joy of the Lord, but they look like they've been weaned on a pickle. It just is it's just who would want that? Yeah. It's not attractive. That's not winsome. Nobody wants that. And so I think we need to tell our face that we have a cheerful spirit and uh and draw people to uh the fragrance of Christ, which draws us to draws people to us.

SPEAKER_00 22:14

Yeah. Wow. So good. Um, so much good in all that you just said. I love that you really have a bold approach just to really speaking about God. Um, and of course, that comes with you laying down, you know, any ego or preconceived notion that you want to maintain at your workplace and just getting real with people about faith. I think that's incredible. Um, I want to go back to the idea of uh trading what we think is great, our clunker, our car for a McLaren. Um I think that's a harder process than a lot of people think. Um, you know, we think we've got the world by the tail. We've got four wheels to take us everywhere. We're in control. We've got this kind of the wheels in motion, really, on the life we want to create. Um, and sometimes we have to, we literally have to stop that car and get into a whole new one. And so that process can feel a little bit like, oh, some, you know, someone's taking something away from me that I had control of and I had uh good going, you know, in order to live this exchange life, which is much, much better. Um, but can you speak to kind of that that pull, like laying down yourself? Because that's that's really not fun. And I don't want to skim over that piece and make it look all, you know, fun and shiny.

SPEAKER_03 23:39

Yeah, so it's it's the most painful thing we as humans can do.

SPEAKER_04 23:45

And here's the kicker is we can't do it by ourselves. There's a reason it's painful because we keep trying to keep trying to do it ourselves.

SPEAKER_03 23:57

And it's impossible. So the surrender and the yielding and the beauty in that is that you know, and Preston says it, I mean, that yielding is strength.

SPEAKER_04 24:10

I mean, the world tells you do yourself and be all you can be and find the inner whatever. I don't want to find my I know what my insides look like. They're awful. You know, I need I need the sanctification, I need the process, I need the the burning the the the dross away from the silver, make it more pure. I need that. I need to be called to a higher place. I can't get there with even my small group. I can't get there with my wife. I can't, she can't help me get, but Christ calls not only calls me to that place, but he actually shows me the path because he says what? He says, Follow me.

SPEAKER_03 24:45

I just gotta do what he did. And that is go to the Father in the morning. You know, put put the good stuff in, the garbage in, garbage out, put the good stuff in.

SPEAKER_04 24:55

Take, you know, quit quit staying up late at night watching crap on TV, go to bed with my beautiful wife and and wake up fresh with my beautiful Lord. I mean, why do I struggle with that? Because it's just all the crap I bring to the party, and yet he calls me to a higher ground. So uh that's that's why it's so hard. Um but why would we not why would we not want that? And sometimes sometimes the Lord loves us so much that he's willing to we we we hold on tight, I hold on tight to things that are idols in my life. And sometimes he just has to crush us and crush our hands to break free. So my hands go from being clenched to being to being open, and that's when the good stuff happens. I think it's I think it's good, like the more I highlight mine, mine, you know, like a like a two-year-old freaking holding on to his Tonka truck, you know. I mean, it's mine where where he just says, Oh, I got something better. I got the McLaren, it's parked in the driveway. And here's the keys, and the Autobahn is next door, and just go ride and top down.

SPEAKER_03 26:06

And that's that's the good stuff. Did I answer your question?

SPEAKER_00 26:13

Yes, you did. Um, painful process. It is quite literally impossible for us to make ourselves holy. So that's absolutely the answer. Um that's awesome. And I think that really speaks to just self-awareness, even. So when you meet Christ, uh, you realize that you're not perfect. And that calls us to look inward and really, you know, learn of ourselves what we're we're not good at, what we're inept at, and um, and to then improve from there in seeking Jesus. So that's really good. I think we've heard a lot from you on just the example of Daddy Kurt and how you have followed that and you um literally set yourself a visual reminder in front of you, just as of an example to be every day and um how you surround yourself with men of all ages. I love that you mentioned younger folks in pouring into your life. It's so good to lay down your pride and ask people to speak into your life and call you out when when that's needed. And I love that it involves your wife as well. Um, how would you say this chapter has influenced your idea of discipleship and leadership in your workplace?

SPEAKER_04 27:26

Yeah, really everything we just we just talked about kind of in summary. I mean, it is just that whole concept of yielding and and surrendering and that yielding is strength is is if it makes sense Saturday in my home, why didn't it make sense Monday in my office? And so I'm the same person Saturday and Monday. So why doesn't the concept concept follow and it and it it does apply to both? And so I've got to act like it applies to both. And so surrendering, exchanging my crap for God's glory uh works on Tuesday um at the office, uh surrendering my crap for God's glory uh at the ball fields on Saturday morning, uh cheering on my kid and not being that dad uh works um you know Friday night when uh on a date with my wife. You know, number one, I've gotta have that, gotta continue to woo her, gotta give her my strength. Let let me uh I can't always be take from her. I've got to give my, you know, at the end of an exhausting work week, and she's exhausted too, you know, coming together and and want to give each other our best. Why the exchange life life works there too, where I'm I'm bringing my crap to the marriage and and God's saying, I can I can help you be the love that she deserves and be that guy. And so all of that comes together and just surrendering, surrendering and yielding is strength. Why would I want to continue being me with all my junk when I've got the king of kings and lord of lords, the prince of peace, and the manliest man to ever create the cosmos or to walk alongside me or his friends?

SPEAKER_03 29:23

Why would I why would I do that? Why wouldn't I why wouldn't I yield that?

SPEAKER_00 29:28

So good. So good. Thank you so much for all your wisdom today.

SPEAKER_04 29:34

Happy to do it. Grateful.

SPEAKER_01 29:37

Do you feel like one person in your personal life and another in professional life? Are you driven by your faith and yet you feel like that you can't bring it to your workplace? Does this disconnect make you feel like that you're not honoring God and everything that he's called you to do? Do you feel like that you're merely surviving day-to-day work without purpose or meaning? Do you want to grow your influence and possibly shape your work environment, but you're not sure how? Hi, I'm Preston Poor, author of Disciple Leader, inspiration from a Fortune 500 executive for transforming your workplace by pursuing Christ. You know, honestly, it took me a long time to figure out that it's not about changing your leadership style. While learning to be a better leader certainly is necessary, and many excellent books have been written to that end. Changing your style will not change who you are. Listen to this. Who you are needs to change before what you do changes. But coming who you're meant to be as a Christian leader does not begin with focusing on leadership. Your calling toward better leadership is a calling toward deeper discipleship. My new book, Disciple Leader, provides struggling, stagnant, or merely surviving Christian business leaders with a framework to grow their influence through becoming a redemptive, Christ-like presence in the workplace and living a more fulfilling personal professional life. Through the book's 10 dual discipleship and leadership principles, stories and application, you'll experience personal professional transformation. For example, you'll change from struggling to live out your faith in the workplace to being empowered to positively shape your environment. You'll move from a stagnant, stale, dormant faith to one that's growing, active, and fulfilling. You'll shift from merely surviving day to day to thriving and living a life of purpose and meaning. If you're struggling to live out your faith in the workplace, worry that you're missing the opportunity to make a positive difference, or fear that you're living an unfulfilled life, it all stops here. Visit my website, PrestonPore.com, and order your copy of Disciple Leader Today and begin to experience personal and professional transformation.

SPEAKER_05 31:36

Okay, so Drew's we're getting here towards the end. We have a little segment that I like to call the hot seat. We have a few fun and easy questions just for the listeners and ourselves uh here to get to know you a little bit better. Uh so are you ready? I'm ready.

SPEAKER_02 31:50

All right, here we go. What type of milk do you put in your cereal?

SPEAKER_03 31:55

Sadly, almond milk.

SPEAKER_02 31:57

Oh.

SPEAKER_05 31:58

Would you rather be besties with Beyonce or Rihanna?

SPEAKER_04 32:03

You know, I think Rihanna would uh it's gotta be Beyoncé. Uh she's the queen, and um Rihanna just seems a little too angry.

SPEAKER_01 32:12

I'm just glad to know you know who they are, true.

SPEAKER_04 32:15

That's good. That's a that's that's offensive.

SPEAKER_05 32:19

You know their personalities.

SPEAKER_03 32:20

Yes.

SPEAKER_05 32:22

All right, what is the capital of New York?

SPEAKER_03 32:25

Albany.

SPEAKER_05 32:27

Good, good, very good. Did you ever believe in Santa Claus?

SPEAKER_03 32:31

Um, briefly. That was yeah, I'm the youngest of four boys to a preacher, so you know, we were just happy to have a president or two.

SPEAKER_02 32:41

Okay. Are dogs people?

SPEAKER_03 32:44

They're actually better than people.

SPEAKER_02 32:46

I can agree with that. Have you ever been to Africa?

SPEAKER_03 32:50

Uh no, but I've sung uh the song a lot.

SPEAKER_06 32:56

I think you stumped met on that one.

SPEAKER_05 33:00

Well, no, I had to I had it I no, I had to think about it for a second. I remembered, I remembered, I remember.

SPEAKER_04 33:05

Yes, there's Toto going off do do do do anyway. Sorry, I digress.

unknown 33:08

Yep.

SPEAKER_05 33:10

Would you eat a day-old taquito from 7-Eleven?

SPEAKER_04 33:13

I think I actually have. I don't, I think it was from Crick Trip. Um, no, that's not fair because they're all fresh. I I would I would eat that, I would eat a month-old taquito because it still would be good. Um all the preservatives in it. Oh, yes, delicious.

SPEAKER_05 33:27

Okay. What's the most number of hours you've watched TV in a single day?

SPEAKER_04 33:34

I don't want to incriminate myself on that. Um, so I'm gonna lie and say two.

SPEAKER_05 33:39

Yeah. Okay. Do you Instagram your food?

SPEAKER_04 33:45

You know, uh, if I'm at a really cool place, like I was into Vegas and I did that, and I instantly felt like an absolute idiot that I would unfollow if I were me.

SPEAKER_05 33:56

Hey, I do it sometimes. Sometimes it just looks that good. You have to. Yes. What sound does a seal make? It's a bark and it's good. Uh would you rather lose all of your hair or gain 50% more hair?

SPEAKER_04 34:15

Well, I have I've lost I've done both because I lose it on the top of my head and it's going on in my back. I've got a great, great bag of hair.

SPEAKER_05 34:25

Oh depends where you lose it, and then you gain it somewhere else. So uh if there's a spider in your house, do you kill it or set it free?

SPEAKER_04 34:34

The only good spider is a dead spider, and so they all die quickly. I'm I'm I'm very quick about it, though.

SPEAKER_05 34:42

Don't make them suffer.

SPEAKER_01 34:44

Yes, that's really good. Drew, thanks for playing along three. Thank you for being such a great sport. Um, hey, as we close out for our listeners today, what's one takeaway from today's conversation with Caroline and reading the chapter and disciple leader and this exchange life and the growth mindset? What would be one takeaway that you would leave with folks?

SPEAKER_04 35:05

Yeah, thanks, Preston. Um, just the whole concept of yielding is strength, that we're not giving up anything or gaining, um, being humble and and just yielding to to Christ. Um it only brings positive and it only brings something that's gonna make me a better leader, make me a better husband, make me a better father, make me a better friend. And so it's not weakness, it is it is strength with humility, and we can only get through there there through Christ, through that exchange life, but that yielding is good.

SPEAKER_01 35:43

It's that reverse logic almost, right? That we yield and find strength.

SPEAKER_04 35:46

Yeah, it doesn't make sense. And the world, the world tells us 23 and a half hours a day the opposite. And but he says, don't be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. And so we've got to spend the other little time, you know, praying without ceasing or going to him, but we got to be reminded of of the good stuff to uh because there's man, they're just bombarded with with the bad stuff. So yeah, awesome.

SPEAKER_01 36:14

Thanks, Drew. Thanks so much for joining us on the Disciple Leader podcast. And uh you've had a lot of fun today and a lot of wisdom and insight from you. And I know our our listeners will much appreciate that. Thank you.

SPEAKER_04 36:25

Thanks, Preston.

SPEAKER_01 36:28

Well, that's all for today's episode, and thanks for listening. Join us again next time when we explore another life-changing principle from Disciple Leader. And be sure to subscribe to our podcast on iTunes or other streaming platforms so you'll never miss an episode. Plus, if you don't have a copy of Disciple Leader, stop by my website at PrestonPort.com and order yours today. I'll end with this Transformed Lives, Transformed Cultures. I encourage you to allow God to work in you and through you to change your world.