Ep. 5 – Confess: As a disciple, keep short accounts with God. As a leader, be honest to the core.

Discussion on workplace integrity and the role that confession plays in a leader’s life w/Caden Hill, a Charlotte NC area, young adult sales, and consulting professional. 

Questions and lessons explored in this episode: 

• Honesty is the top-quality people desire in a leader. Why do you think it is so important to leadership? 
• Have you ever been in a circumstance where your integrity was tested? How did you apply the principles of staying true, building accountability, and speaking up? What happened, and what did you learn? 
• Have you ever been honest with someone, and the relationship was broken? What were the consequences, and would you change anything? 
• What happens if you try to conceal your sin? 
• Are you reviewing your life throughout the day, confessing any known sin? Why or why not? How can you make confession a regular part of your day? 
• How will these discipleship and leadership principles help you transform your workplace through your pursuit of Christ? 

Discipled Leader is a show that provides struggling, stuck, or merely surviving Christian Business leaders with a framework to grow their influence through becoming a redemptive (i.e., change for the better), Christlike presence in the workplace, and living a more fulfilling personal and professional life. www.prestonpoore.com 

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:05

Hi, President 4. Welcome to the Disciple Leader Podcast. Along with my young professional co-host and adult children, Caroline Ben, and a special guest, we'll explore a life-changing framework designed to help struggling, stop, or merely surviving Christian business leaders, grow their influence by becoming a redemptive, Christ-like presence in the workplace, and living a more fulfilling life. Buckle up and get ready to be transformed. Hi, I'm Preston Ford. Welcome to the Cycle Leader Podcast. I'm joined by my co-host and adult children, Caroline and Ben, and thanks for being here. Today we'll chat with a special guest to gain their insights on the cycle leader's fourth chapter, Confess, and discuss how to apply your faith in the workplace. Now, Caroline will facilitate today's discussion, and then be sure to stick around for Ben's hot seat, where we'll get to know our guests through a series of rapid-fire fun questions. Now, each chapter starts with a dual principle. What do I mean by that? It means this. It means that it has one related to discipleship and another to leadership. And so chapter four's principle is as a disciple, keep short accounts with God. As a leader, be honest to the core. The chapter summary says confession is the key to an ongoing and healthy relationship with God. Being honest with God naturally leads to being honest with others. Even when the stakes are high, then you may have something to lose by speaking the truth. And the anchor scripture for the chapter is 1 John 1.9, how the amplified Bible, and I love this, how it really just really flushes this out, says this if we freely admit that we offend and confess our sins, he is faithful and just, true to his own nature and promises, and will forgive our sins, will dismiss our lawlessness, and continuously cleanse us from all unrighteousness. That's everything not in conformity to his will and purpose and thought and action.

SPEAKER_02 2:01

So today we're going to talk about a tough subject. It's about the importance of confession and leading with integrity. So, Benton, who's today's guest?

SPEAKER_03 2:13

Today we have a very special guest. So we have Caden Hill. Caden is a 29-year-old native-born Tennessean who currently lives in Charlotte, North Carolina. He's married to his college crush, Kristen, who we met in office hours while at the University of Tennessee. Caden works as an engagement manager for Viva Systems. His role is a blend of consulting and sales, which combines his love for people with his ability to create and sell a vision. Caden has always known that God has gifted him with a leadership capability. For now, he was he is truly learning how to be a servant leader and implementing that in his day-to-day work life. His goal is to one day lead teams within his sales or service capacity. Caden is not only all of those things, but Caden was my young life leader in high school, uh, still is my young life leader and remains a good friend. So I'm very excited for today.

SPEAKER_00 2:59

That's awesome. Well, Caden, I think it's incredible because we've gotten to see your calling, um, your leadership lived out from a young age, as Benton mentioned at Young Life. Um it's been fun to watch as his sister y'all's relationship grow. And uh you just remain kind of in that leadership role to a lot of guys that are Benton's age. So thanks for that. We're really excited to talk to you. Um, as the listeners have heard, this is on confession, and that could feel like an intimidating topic to some people, but I think it's important to realize what's on the other side of that, which is freedom and its relationship both with God and even each other. Um, so why don't you just start us out and talk about maybe why honesty and integrity are important to you and how you've benefited from those things in your life.

SPEAKER_04 3:52

Sure. So I think for me, honesty has been a foundational part of my personal journey. Um, and that has started to really kind of permeate through the rest of my professional career as well as just relationships, whether it be with my wife, my friends, um, because you know, I have done a lot of research into what I believe my spiritual gifts are. And so I wasn't even aware that leadership is a spiritual gift. And so um, you know, equating that in my personal and professional life, uh, the leadership and honesty go hand in hand. Um and for me, it's really um been important for me to be honest with myself. Um, it's one thing to be honest with other people, but I think character is defined as who you really are when nobody's looking. And uh for me, I say it all the time. I have to be able to look myself in the mirror and and like what I see, um, and and to even get to the point to believe what God says to be true about me. So um at a foundational level, honesty is part of my everyday and just my own personal walk. But I've I've also seen it pay huge dividends in in my career, um, working with people all the way up to you know the C-suite of certain companies that looked at me and depended at on me to be um, you know, a servant leader and and to be honest with the people that I was in charge of as well as the people that I answered to. Um, and so that's something that I took to heart was just that dependability and and being looked at as somebody that was reliable, that um that's really gratifying for me. So a long answer, but um like I said, it couldn't be more timely of a of a topic and a discussion for us because it's it's something that's so important to me and and how I get through my day, honestly.

SPEAKER_00 5:44

Yeah, well, I love that you start your day kind of looking yourself in the mirror and assessing there, like, do I like who I am? Do I like how I've acted? Um, am I right with God? Am I believing what he says about me? I think that's really important. Um, and as you talked about, integrity uh is characters, who you are behind closed doors. So I love that you're calling that out as a starting point. Um, how do you think that kind of self-reflection or looking at yourself in the mirror translates to leadership at work or even in your you know volunteer leadership roles? Um, why do you think that's so important?

SPEAKER_04 6:23

I I think it's important because it's it's ingrained in us as God's creation to to imitate you know his nature, right? And um, so as I as I look at myself and and look at him, I'm I'm evaluating, okay, where am I am I straying away from that relationship? Where am I straying away from what I know to be true about myself? Um and and if I can be honest with myself there, and if I can be honest with God about that, it takes all the pressure off for me. Um, and so, you know, starting with your own personal walk is important because it emulates and gets passed on to the people who you come into contact with naturally. So as people look at you, you know, often leader titles are just that titles. But I think what really differentiates somebody who's truly walking um their faith out and somebody who has been gifted with leadership is that they recognize that um it's a very important gift from God to be able to lead other people. Um, and that it's never a reflection on you, but it's always a reflection of Him. Um and so for me, that's taken all the pressure on me to feel like I have to perform. Um and it's it's placing that back, you know, where it belongs appropriately. And then I get to walk freely, uh, knowing that I'm I'm being invited to be a part of something that God's doing. And that's been that's made all the difference in the way that I handle stress as well as my interactions with other people.

SPEAKER_00 7:54

So yeah, I love that. Uh just the walking freely piece and understanding that it's Him at work in us. I would imagine that that mindset or the kind of that heart position enables you to walk into tough scenarios with a little bit more confidence. Um, but along with this idea of confession today is really speaking up when something's wrong and maintaining that integrity. So could you share with us maybe an example of a time where you have seen something wrong and you've spoken up? And then how that played out as you kind of tested that integrity and that leadership role.

SPEAKER_04 8:37

Sure. Um so I think that one of the big things for me working in the corporate world has always been how do I maintain a relationship with people who are not on the same page. Um, and and that often manifests itself in a lot of different ways, whether it be going out uh to dinners and things like that, where depending on the company, expectations could be that people go out afterwards. Um, but I'm always very conscientious of who's watching. And um so I think a recent example would be that um a prior company I had worked for, um we were doing a QBR or quarterly business review, and I flew up uh to our headquarters and I hadn't met our new C-suite yet. So we had been acquired by a new company, and uh I knew the CEO was going to be there, the COO, etc. And so we all, the first the first time I ever met my CEO, we all went out to dinner. Um, and then the expectation was that everybody would go out after that. And um, so the following morning, um, we all show up and I was there uh bright-eyed and bushy-tailed, ready to go, and I had turned in early, and that was a lesson that I learned from from making this mistake before. And um, somebody made a comment saying, you know, it was just in passing, but the CEO had just walked in the room and said, Hey, we didn't see you out last night, really looked forward to hanging out. You know, what was your motivation? And being put on the spot like that, I didn't really know what to say. I just said, Hey, I went home, I called my wife and and turned in early. I knew we had to be here. And the CEO went out of her way to call it out in front of everybody else and said, you know, I noticed that Caden was the first person in the office this morning. Um, and some of you look like you're you're kind of slacking a little bit. So um that was that was that felt good um just to get that that validation that I had made the right call, despite, you know, the social um, I guess the social interaction and and missing that opportunity to go be out, but at the same time knowing that I had maintained um, you know, what I thought to be my integrity and and that it was appreciated by the leadership.

SPEAKER_00 10:45

So yeah, that's awesome. I love that you got that validation. Um, because at the time, you're right, it probably was this social pressure or this idea that you're missing out on something, uh, but the reward was definitely on the other side of that. So that's awesome. Um, so you definitely stay true. That's the principle of this chapter. Um, and that's awesome, looking yourself in the mirror, um, and then taking those actions to heart, like even turning in, you know, early after a business dinner. But what about accountability? Um, who do you lean on and how do you lean on them for accountability and maybe even to confess what's going on in your own heart uh or actions you might have made?

SPEAKER_04 11:27

Sure. Um one of the things for accountability is that you know, I think you have personal accountability with people who are in your close circle, and then you've got people at work who you need to align with. So for me, um, I find that a lot of the more challenging things that I go through on a day-to-day basis happen at work. I mean, so when I join a new organization or I become a part of a team, I look for people who are like-minded and I look for a genuine relationship with those people that transcends the work that we're doing. Um, I found that it's it's common that if you look hard and you invest in relationships, that you'll find that um there's people all around you, no matter the organization, who um whether or not they're believers or not, they they hold certain principles to be true. And honesty being one of those that, like I said, is transcendent. So I try to find a close group of people and invest in that relationship. Um, and then it starts with me being honest, right? I I found that one of the things that from a leadership perspective is that people take their cues from people who in positions like that. So if it's made to be okay in an organization or on a team to speak freely and to be open and honest, um, it continues to make its way through the rest of the team. So I try to lead by example. Um, I try to be honest about where I fail and where I need work. And what I found is that that just kind of knocks down all the pretense around um, you know, is this person really trustworthy? Because if they weren't trustworthy, they they absolutely wouldn't tell me to do these things. And so um just yeah, I've seen it pay a lot of dividends just in terms of my relationships at work, and that continues to grow um as you stay at a place long enough.

SPEAKER_00 13:18

So yeah, definitely a culture of honesty or a culture of speaking up. So that's really good by building relationships, you're building accountability within your culture. So that is awesome. What about someone who's done this well that you've looked at and said, hey, they were honest, or maybe they even failed in a big way, but they admitted it and they brought their own failings or the group's failings to light. Um, and what have you taken from watching their leadership?

SPEAKER_04 13:48

Sure. Um, so as I was thinking about some of the different people that I worked for and reading this chapter, one person really came to mind. His name's Amit. Um, he was a boss of mine for five years. And um what I saw him do was to always seek to do the right thing despite the personal cost to himself. So um he was never one to shy away from difficult conversations. It was always um, you know, his instinct, and and he's not a believer. Um, and that's something that was really impressive to me is that, like I said, certain things about the nature of God just pass on to his creation. And so I would say that Amit absolutely had the gift of leadership. Um, and it it ended up costing him quite a bit um with leadership changing um in a in a big company. Um, he was used to being able to have that type of accountability with the leaders in front of him, and that was something that the new leadership didn't necessarily um take as quickly to, and they didn't necessarily know his heart um and why he was he was vocal about things that he thought were wrong. Um, and and ultimately I saw that cost him quite a bit. Um But in speaking with him personally, I always found that he never he never had trouble looking at himself in the mirror, he never regretted doing the right thing because in his own personal life, that was something that he held in such high regard um that it was something he wasn't willing to compromise. And I I have all the respect in the world for him. Um he never deviated from that path. And and unfortunately, we don't work together anymore. But uh it was kind of funny. Um I actually I was just driving back from Knoxville to Charlotte the other day and just felt compelled to call him and see how he was doing. Um, and it turns out that um a lot of the stress that he's internalized has has uh materialized in some health issues. And um, I just felt compelled to tell him the truth about himself and and to reinforce some of those principles that um, you know, even though it's it's cost him everything, um, including his health, that it was um it was the right thing to do. And and he said, you know, I'm still trying to figure out this whole God thing, um, but I know it was God that compelled you to call me today. I needed to hear this. And so that type of relationship just comes from that brutal honesty and and that willingness to to put yourself out there. Um and I was a subordinate. He didn't have to reveal that part of his himself to me, but um, you know, just an exemplary um person that I look up to.

SPEAKER_00 16:27

So yeah, phenomenal example. Um, and I love that you kind of answered that nudge to give him a call, uh, just kind of to spur him on. That's incredible. So thank you for doing that. Um another question I have is just around the peace that you even speak to your boss feeling on his decision making or something that he leans back in towards when he looks himself in the mirror every day. Um, confession ultimately leads us to peace with God, right? Um, it's oneness with him, it's admitting our sins and turning our life back into his hands, wanting to become more like him. How do you practice confession? And why do you think it's beneficial?

SPEAKER_04 17:17

So for me, um, being raised in the church, I had a really strange concept of grace. I I was able to conceptualize it, but had never really felt like I truly experienced it. And so felt like I walked around with a lot of shame, a lot of guilt, um, knowing that what I had done was wrong, but never feeling the reprieve of knowing that I had been truly forgiven or truly understanding um, you know, the weight of that um price that was paid for me. And so uh for me, confession starts with realigning myself to that truth as opposed to what my circumstances or what my mind and my heart might be telling me. It's go back to the truth, it's objective, it's something that cannot be tainted or changed. Um, and so for me, it starts with going back, and that's an area that I've really struggled with um over you know the past year being stuck in home because I I just felt so not necessarily guilty, I just felt so disconnected. And so I started to see shame, guilt, um, you know, losing my temper, those types of things start to bubble back up. And it's like, okay, I thought we had dealt with these. What's what's going, what's going on? And I and I recognized that I wasn't spending any time reacquainting myself with the truth. I wasn't spending any time in confession um for you know a host of things, mostly my pride in in turning away from that relationship, um, trying to fill the gap with anything and everything else over the past years. I've just really struggled um with coronavirus and what's it's what it's done personally, but also just being stuck in the house, those types of things. So um it's it's very timely that we're talking about this because it's just been recently that I feel like I'm I'm starting to come back into my own and and people are seeing it in the way that I talk and the way that I act. Um because I've I've really started to take confession seriously. Um but to do that, I had to, I had to take a step back and realize not how far I had fallen, but that I had I had removed myself from that relationship, um, at least, you know, superficially and in the way that I went through my day. Um and God was very gracious to say, and I think, you know, Preston, you called this out in the book, is that he never turned away. There wasn't a both of us having to come back to the middle. It was me returning, if you will, back um into that relationship. And uh all I can say is that he's extremely faithful. Um the the word is extremely uh powerful to to fight and combat things like shame and guilt. Um and I'm excited. Uh it's it's been a good um hard journey, but that's that's where my days are starting now. Um, and it is paying a lot of dividends down, you know, through the rest of my days, starting with that.

SPEAKER_00 20:17

So that's awesome. And such a worthy note to make on the fact that a relationship with him is unlike in any other, because he does remain constant and true to him and true to us. Uh, so it is ours to turn back towards him. Um, and that's different from any other human relationship we experience on earth. So so good. I also love that you mention relationship as soon as I question how you practice confession because it is it's a conversation. You're talking to God, you're confessing it to him. It's not um a stiff practice, you know, that we that we have to do. Um, it really is something that we get to enter into in order to be one with God uh and at peace with him. So incredible. Uh, I love how you highlight the fact that you're starting your days like that. That challenges me uh to go to God in prayer and start with confession. So that's amazing. Um kind of on the leadership aspect, how would you say that this confession piece really transforms the way that you think about leading a team of people or influencing your colleagues around you?

SPEAKER_04 21:35

Yeah. So the first thing that comes to mind, Caroline, is that it takes the pressure off, right? And as I read, you know, this chapter and and listened to to your father's um, you know, story, it resonated with me because it's like I I know what that pressure feels like to perform. Um, but what I've learned is that those two things are inextricably tied to each other. Um, who you are as a person will. Will flow into the way you lead and the way that you interact with other people. And so, you know, I think one thing is, I mean, it starts all the way back to honesty, is just have a honest assessment of what you're doing, have an honest assessment of how things are going without shame. And then that allows you to go into high pressure, intense situations where you may feel like you've you've dropped the ball, but it's it's ultimately what's going to be the relatable aspect. I apologize if you hear the uh training back. Um but it it's that's the thing that breaks down the the barrier between a leader and and the people that they're responsible for is if they're approachable. Um and I think that somebody that's fully honest with themselves doesn't have to put up any walls to keep people at arm's length. Um, you know, there's a saying that says if you if you if you um trying to think of how it goes, basically says if if you always tell the truth, you never have to remember anything. Um and that's that's a principle that I try to live by. Um it's gotten me into some some hot water, but um that was all fear-based, right? And I think that uh honesty is is built on love and respect for other people. So as well for yourself, right? If you can't forgive yourself, it's gonna be very difficult for other people to find you approachable. So um does that answer the question? I think that that's just kind of where my mind immediately goes.

SPEAKER_00 23:33

Absolutely. Just honesty leveling with people. Um, this whole conversation has just been so honest. I just am thankful that you've opened your heart to discussing all of this. Um, I love things that you've said in terms of honesty being at the core of a lot of people's values and seeking out people in the workplace who value that as well as it creates accountability uh for integrity in the culture of your workplace. It also benefits your relationships because you don't have to keep accounts, right? Uh you don't have to remember the story that is built around something. You're free to go and build relationship and just experience freedom ultimately. Um, and then just the practice of confession that you've encouraged us with starting your day that way is awesome. So, Hayden, we appreciate your insight. We appreciate your leadership and your relationship to the four poor family. And uh, we're so glad you're on today. Thank you, Caroline.

SPEAKER_01 24:36

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SPEAKER_03 26:36

Okay, so Caden, as we get here towards the end, we now have a little segment that I like to call the hot seat. Uh I have a few fun and easy questions uh for ourselves here and the listeners to get to know you a little bit better. Sounds pretty pretty fast, basic, but gonna be fun. So are you ready?

SPEAKER_05 26:52

I'm ready.

SPEAKER_03 26:53

All right, let's go. Is it grammatically proper to capitalize the name of the seasons?

SPEAKER_05 26:58

Yes. Nope. Do you own a bicycle? No. What is wind?

SPEAKER_04 27:08

A movement of air from a high pressure to a low pressure area. That's that's the only thing. Okay, there we go.

SPEAKER_03 27:15

That's exactly right. Learn that in uh geography 103. Good job. Good job. Uh which animals add more joy to the world? Squirrels or llamas?

SPEAKER_04 27:29

Squirrels.

SPEAKER_03 27:30

Okay, interesting.

SPEAKER_04 27:31

Um I mean, how many how many dogs get excited to see a llama?

SPEAKER_03 27:36

Okay, so you're looking at joy through the lens of a dog's eye.

SPEAKER_04 27:39

Yeah, it's not just humans.

SPEAKER_03 27:42

Okay. On a scale of one to ten, how much do you enjoy garlic?

SPEAKER_05 27:48

Six. Okay. Who inspires you? I'm gonna go back to uh to Amet, the guy that we discussed earlier.

SPEAKER_04 28:06

I mean, he he's truly been an inspiration.

SPEAKER_00 28:09

We're all Amet fans now. Yeah, we are. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 28:13

We're we'll bring him on on the next uh show that we do, Kate. Honestly, it'd be it'd be great. That's awesome.

SPEAKER_03 28:20

If you could push a button and make everyone in the world 7% happier, but it would also place a worldwide ban on all hairstyling products. Would you push that button? Oh yeah. You don't use hairstyling products?

SPEAKER_04 28:36

I know I I found that if you just don't shower for like three days, you can pretty much make your hair do whatever you want.

SPEAKER_03 28:41

Natural, all natural hair products.

SPEAKER_04 28:44

Yeah, I think it's a worthwhile.

SPEAKER_03 28:46

Okay, I would too. Uh if there was a hair in your soup at a restaurant, would you return it? Absolutely not.

SPEAKER_04 28:55

Really?

SPEAKER_03 28:56

Do you like hair in your soup?

SPEAKER_04 28:57

No, no, I don't like hair in my soup whatsoever, but I am mortified to send food back at a restaurant. Really? I don't I don't know why. Yeah, I would just pull it out, say that's gross, and try to forget it happen as soon as possible.

SPEAKER_03 29:10

Okay. What's the most boring thing ever?

SPEAKER_04 29:14

School.

SPEAKER_03 29:16

Okay. I don't think it has to be that way, but I'm glad you didn't say this podcast.

SPEAKER_06 29:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 29:22

Not not at all. What's your middle name? Brock. Tell me what you like to do on the weekends, but in a valley girl voice.

SPEAKER_04 29:33

In a valley, I don't even know how to talk like a valley girl.

SPEAKER_02 29:37

Oh, come on, you're young on the background.

SPEAKER_04 29:39

You know, you know what it is. Come on, you know what it is. Oh gosh, this is so embarrassing. Um I don't know. I would just have to say, like going out to brunch with my friends. Yeah. We we live for brunch, bottomless mimosas, that kind of thing.

SPEAKER_06 29:54

Exactly.

SPEAKER_03 29:56

That's a that's a Tennessee Valley girl. It's not uh like a California Valley girl. Oh, I don't know how California Valley Girls talk.

SPEAKER_01 30:04

That's okay.

SPEAKER_03 30:05

That was great.

SPEAKER_01 30:06

That's that's a question that's all everybody, right? Anybody that got that, that'd be fun. I love that. That was good. Hey King, thanks, thanks for playing along. That was a lot of fun uh on that. Hey, as we close out today, what's one thing uh that you might have gained from reading the chapter or today's conversation that you would like to lead with our listeners? What's that one thing, that one takeaway?

SPEAKER_04 30:27

Sure. I I think the the biggest one in a word is is relationship. Um, and if you start to really think through your interactions with people in the in the context of a relationship versus just in passing or by happen chance happenstance, um you'll really start to see some some positive impact uh manifest in relationships. But for me, it started with understanding the Trinity and that the nature of God is relationship. And so um shame, guilt, fear, sin are things that can make you turn away because you feel like you're not worthy. Um and I think that God is very gracious in showing us that um his benchmark for holiness is his son, and he is happy and proud to look on us with that same type of relationship that he shares with Jesus. Um, and that's that's made all the difference in the way that I look at myself and others. Um, I think the world would be a better place if we could just keep that in the forefront of our minds.

SPEAKER_01 31:28

So that's fantastic. What wise words! And thank you for tackling such a tough topic today around confession and integrity. Uh, but you are certainly demonstrating that and living that out. So thank you. And thanks for being on the Disciple Leader Podcast. Take care. Thank you. Well, that's all for today's episode, and thanks for listening. Join us again next time when we explore another life-changing principle from Disciple Leader. And be sure to subscribe to our podcast on iTunes or other streaming platforms so you'll never miss an episode. Plus, if you don't have a copy of Disciple Leader, stop by my website at PrestonPore.com and order yours today. I'll end with this. I encourage you to allow God to work in you and through you to change your world.